Black Friday turned out to be a dark day indeed, dark in the sense of seeing isolated incidents of people fighting over silly discounted items, portrayed in the Corporate Sponsored Media, as if it were more widespread. We heard about a woman pepperspraying others in WalMart so she could get a…
I’d suggest moving away from camping constantly (especially during the winter months in northern states) and moving toward campaigning consistently. I’m calling for daily General Assemblies, speeches, actions, marches, demonstrations, etc. Rather than anyone sleeping (on-site) at any time, have everyone on-site and awake at all times by participating in shifts. Throughout the evening hours, the prior and future day’s events could be reviewed and educational entertainment could be performed.
There’s no central message because there’s a lot to be changed. This is no time for sleeping in and camping out - this is a time to wake up and take down the corrupted systems as they stand in order to repair them so they stand taller, stronger and more sustainably. We’ve got actions to investigate and criminals to hold accountable, we’ve got letters and laws which need to be written, we’ve got a conversation to continue and a society to sustain all through the power of change while dropping the power of greed. This is no easy task, and it’s not gonna happen overnight, or in a few months of overnights.
Camping or not, those who occupy are occupied inside and out. The movement will likely have many phases, and I hope to move through all of them in some way. How are you moving through this phase of life?
Ben Flame me if you want. I am tired of Occupy. Go home. And Yes I am a liberal. And yes I think corporations should be taxed more.
William Yup. Agree.
Ben Ok so admission. If you really want to know. I think the movement has to become violent to succeed. It has stalled… Look at Arab Spring…
Pollyanna What have you done to be so tired? Have you been camping out, attending lots of General Assemblies, occupying at home in some other ways…?
Ben I am not in enough dire straits to have a direct need to occupy anything. I have a job where I barely make ends meet, but that is because I am pursuing my passion. Life is pretty sweet right now. I don’t really have any money, but I am happy. I don’t have a problem in my daily life with things going on.
William It needs to have a purpose other than occupying.
Pollyanna The purposes are many and are being fulfilled as we speak. It’s changing the conversation, perspective and pace of our lives to a more long-term sustainable problem-solving practice and less of a short-term ignorant and greedy band-aid habit.
My mom is in dire straights. I’m there because she can’t be. I’m there for myself too. And you. And everyone who isn’t there. And everyone who is.
Ben Hey I am totally with that, but I am afraid the (bad) powers at be have such a lock down (and had planned it to be this way for a LONG time) that this kind of protest will have little effect. Like In the middle east, things will have to get…..Zesty.
Pollyanna I’m there when I can be, and when I can’t be, I’m there while here. I refuse to accept that it’s futile to resist what they want us to think is inevitable. I believe peace and love are inevitable.
Ben It’s falling on deaf ears I’m afraid. It’s too easy for the general public to dismiss it all as dirty hippies and liberal college grads. We have to think bigger.
Pollyanna Yes, we DO have to think bigger.
Ben I wish It was that ideal [Pollyanna], but I think you are wrong. Revolution has always been violent.
William Oh it’s bigger than dirty hippies, it still doesn’t have a clear objective other than to sit around and annoy people into considering stuff.
Pollyanna Because I believe it, I experience it as being real. I attended Friday’s GA at Occupy Philly and even though there was some disruption during the meeting, attendees showed solidarity for the process by ignoring the disturbance and continuing the debate. It’s a messy, drawn-out, annoying process for everyone - but it’s better than the tidy alternative of the status quo
Chip There is a purpose beyond occupying. It’s about creating dialogue for a more sustainable culture and holding the financial criminals who ruined our economy accountable. A location is merely the visible face of a growing movement. If you tired of it after two months, that’s not saying much for your attention span. That said, I too am barely making ends meet. My life too is full of music, and art, and writing, and great people. I am not unhappy (much of the time). I occupy to help those less fortunate than myself and to ensure that the robber barons that are raping this country (and the planet) do not continue to do so. Empathy is the name of the game. There are seven BILLION people on this planet, and if we don’t act now to change things, they will only get worse. If you only look after your own interests, that says something about your attitude toward others and toward life in general.
William Noone is being held accountable. You can drag their dirty laundry out for all to see, but it won’t change anything. They have enough money that they’re like “eh w/e”
Ben If I had to choose between MLK and Malcolm X. I’d go with the latter… MLK’s success was a RARE thing IMO.
Pollyanna I’m not a blind optimist, I see reality and I have fears too - I just choose to act out of love rather than react by freezing in fear.
Chip I should have never commented, because now my damn notifications are going to blow up like an unchecked ego. Fuuuuh.
Pollyanna I’m with King, 100% - though I’d like to learn more about Malcolm.
Ben It comes down to this for me, and you can dismiss me as a coward, thats fine… BUT. If I had to choose between living my life as it is and as it can be, or fighting daily for the future, I’d choose the former. Some are meant to fight, others just want to live. I suppose I am fine with doing the best I can, with what I am given. If that makes me a coward, so be it. I will be busy loving my girlfriend and playing music.
Chip No one ever said the word “coward”. Ctrl + F it, bro.
Pollyanna I think such an admission of cowardice is brave, Ben. And I’m quite cowardly as well, I fight in only the ways I’m comfortable.
I consider this post I found on reddit to be a good idea
"The only real campaign reform would be a public election fund from which the candidates receive an equivalent amount of dollars."
Especially as a transition toward completely free election campaigns for political positions which pay minimal salaries (comparable to public school teachers) and are limited to three two-year terms per office and lifetime.
Holding political office is a community service position and could be treated as such - rather than as a career which maximizes one’s personal wealth and worldly influence. It would serve the majority of us well as interdependent individuals to speak our minds and use our voices as more than confused voters in an unsustainable system of government.